piebalds

[STHA4]

im thinking about maybe getting a pied in the future does anyone know what a low white would go for even possibly the medium-high whites?


Thank You,
Amanda

[csnake]

Since pie-balds are usually graded...

Low whites go for around $10,000- $12,500.
Medium white go for around $13,000- $14,000
High whites go for around $15,000 and up.

[reptiledude2]

ive seen some pieds for 8500 before just depends how much white and who you buy it from

[STHA4]

would yall happen to know how much an albino would go for....sry to ask so many questions about pricing......(just seizing opportunities)

[csnake]

Albino balls go for $2000- $3000 depending on the size and who you get it from. Mike has them on his price list. I'm not exactly sure how much he charges for them, but you could always check. :)

[ReptileRay]

I have been checking both albino's and piedballs and you will see pied at daytona for $5000 and albino for $1500 I think. I asked Tom @ cypress creek and Ralph Davis what they was thinking the prices would be on the low end at daytona! NOW this does not mean the cheap snakes from no name breeders are better than , mikes, ralphs, or toms snakes but just means some guys may get better deals on new babys but I think albino's and pieds will always hold a great amount of coin compared to others! Look how long albino's balls have been bringing good money for compared to albino retics, burms, boas etc..etc

[STHA4]

yea i think what im gunna do is buy a pair of het albino bps an then work my way up an breed. ...id like to go to the daytona show tho!

[Lynn]

Good luck with what ever you get. :)

[STHA4]

ill be sure to let you know lynn!

[Lynn]

I will be waiting

[STHA4]

well lynn ive decided that this year im gettin 3 normal females and next yr a pastel male(i gotta save up)!Im gettin the females i think this weekend or next.

[Deven]

does anyone know anything about the markers? i've heard a lot about them
and since i'm planning to start with some 100% het peids, what to know what these markers are, if they are real and if anyone has a photo they can send me. Deven (deven@sachost.com?subject=peibald het markers)

[RandyRemington]

Some for sure het piebalds have perfectly normal looking bellies so buy from a trusted source and don't worry if your het has a normal belly. Some have claimed to have known (proven?) non hets with similar bellies so again, buy from trusted sources. To check out a breeder go to heck http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=13& and sign up for an account.

Here (if it works) are some 25% chance het pieds that I believe are hets based on their bellies. The biggest one is pictured too far forward to see the strait black marks at the edge of a 3 scale wide white belly. I’ve seen this belly type passed from 50% chance het pied males with it to almost exactly half of their offspring.


http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/4924PiedHetBellyCompare-med.jpg

[Mike Wilbanks]

How do you get 25% chance hets?

[zayelskeeper]

Im with Mike on that..how is that possible

[RandyRemington]

I can see the controversy in the terms "25% chance het" and "33% chance het" since they are one extra generation removed from a for sure het and that is a significant difference. However I think they are worth keeping track of their chances and if so you need to call them something. I always take extra precautions to explain the all or nothing situation when selling such animals for normal prices.

Basically, if you had a large number of random 50% chance het males and bred them to a large number of normal females then about 25% of the babies would be hets. So “25% chance het” accurately describes a random baby from such a group of offspring from a group of 50% chance hets. However, each offspring of an individual 50% chance het has either a 50% chance or a near 0% chance depending on if the 50% chance het parent hit their chance or not. Until you know if the 50% chance het parent hit or not it seems to me that 25% chance accurately characterizes the "average" chance of the offspring.

An important fundamental difference of being that extra generation removed from a for sure het comes when you try to figure out your cumulative chances of having at least one het in a group of het siblings. If the 50% chance het parent missed it doesn't matter how many of his daughters you keep back, your chance of having at least one that is a het stays near 0%. With 50% chance hets you know your chance of getting a het goes up with the number you keep back.

However, if this het marker if accurate for pieds then you can throw all the chance calculations out the window when you see it. It will be fun to see if it's something like the sporadic visible het markers in green and granite burms. I don’t know why a “recessive” morph might sometimes be a bit co-dominant and sometimes not but the burms give a precedence for that.

[Lynn]

well lynn ive decided that this year im gettin 3 normal females and next yr a pastel male(i gotta save up)!Im gettin the females i think this weekend or next.

I hear that.. Great news on the girls..

[STHA4]

yeah im really happy so far with how well my collection is growing.I have 4 females now and my one normal male.one of my females is a 4 yr old normal the other 3 are early 04's